00:00 - Janae Daniels (Host)

Yeah, hello my friends and welcome back. I am so excited to introduce today's guest. We have today, melanie Jeffrey. Melanie is a phonics fanatic. She's the host of the Homeschool Phonics podcast and a veteran teacher of core literacy for children ages four to eight, or your K to second graders. She is formally trained in phonics instruction for kids and helps homeschool moms teach their children to read using simple phonics skills that they can put on, rinse and repeat. Melanie is wife to Bill. She is a mom of an 18, 19, and 20-year-old. Yes, her children were born so close that often people would get the youngest two confused as being twins. And you ask, how did she manage that? Well, the youngest child sat in the car seat inside the grocery cart, the middle child sat upright in the kid facing the carrier, facing mom, and the oldest child held onto her free hand while using, while going grocery shopping.

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I'm guessing that some of you can relate to that. Melanie gets very excited when kids can apply phonics concepts to read with greater fluency and, as a mom who shares our values, she wants to help you teach your child to read with confidence. So, melanie, thank you so so much for coming on today.

01:22 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Well, thank you, janai. It's an honor to be here on your show with your listeners. School to Homeschool.

01:27 - Janae Daniels (Host)

Let's talk phonics for a little bit, because you started about a year ago. You started the Homeschool Phonics podcast, which I'll put the link in the show notes for those of you parents who want to use it. It's fabulous. It's got little mini, bite-sized lessons to help you teach your kids phonics.

01:45 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

But Melanie, what made you decide to start that podcast. So I decided to start the podcast because I believe that for some, for families that are choosing to homeschool, that the decision not to homeschool no longer feels like a choice, and that can depend upon your location where you live, as well as school and district policies. So my heart goes out to those moms. I want to support those moms because now you've made the decision to homeschool Congratulations on making that huge, courageous decision and now the responsibility to teach your child to read falls in your lap and you're without the external supports, and so I want to come alongside you and help you model simple phonics skills so that you can teach your child to read with confidence. So often I find homeschool moms they're struggling with well Melanie, where do I even start? Am I even doing this right? But I'm not trained as a teacher and they're looking for to feel confident so that they know, when they do daily phonics assignments with their child, that their child is going to succeed as a reader.

02:56 - Janae Daniels (Host)

I love that. So it's interesting because when we started homeschooling, my oldest two had graduated from high school already from public high school, and then my next two were approaching. They were in middle school, approaching high school, and then I had one in elementary and then one that was in pre-K and of all of the kids I was most concerned about my pre-K because I was like I was a theater teacher for middle and high school.

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I. What am I going to do about teaching my kids to read? And it was terrifying. Now does she read. Yes, she's now nine and we, you know we went through phonics and went through all the different programs and things like that and she reads great. It took her a little while, you know. It was a little bit of a struggle for her and she had some learning difficulties, but she reads great now. So what are some phonics skills that homeschool moms will find helpful when teaching their children to read?

03:50 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Yes.

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So homeschool moms will find these phonics skills very helpful when teaching their children to read. The first is phonemic awareness. That's a bit of a buzzword, with the science of reading coming to light and how children actually learn to read. And getting away from the whole balance literacy, whole language system into back into core phonics. Finally we're back. So first awareness, yes, uh. And and the thing about the homeschool curriculums they never left phonicsomeschool curriculums have always been very focused on phonics and they didn't do that deep dive to the left. And so well done homeschool community. Your curriculums have continued to remain phonics-based. But when you're looking at your curriculum it's helpful to know what phonics skill you are actually looking at. So for phonemic awareness, this is an oral listening skill. So if your child is pre-K or early kindergarten, there's no pencil to paper yet. You could use magnetic letters if you wanted to. But phonemic awareness is an awareness of sound, or a sound awareness. And the English language is made of 44 different sounds and these 44 different sounds are what we blend or say individually to say whole words. So again, this is an oral skill. It's all listening and speaking. So, for example, if I'm teaching phonemic awareness to my child, there are two parts to phonemic awareness. One is the oral blending skill and the second is the oral segmenting or oral segmentation. So let me just guide you through what the oral blending skill would look like. So if I'm teaching phonemic awareness to my beginning emergent reader in kindergarten, this is what it could look like. So I'm gonna get my little hand motions ready because I want my child engaged, and I'm going to orally out loud, say three sounds and I'm going to ask her to blend those sounds, just orally, just by listening, to say and speak a whole word. So again, there is no pencil to paper yet. So, phonemic awareness oral blending drill. I'm the mom, I'm going to say and my child's job is to blend those sounds to say a whole word. So mapA-P Great job, kiddo. Let's try another one. I'm the mom. My job is to say three phonemes or sounds in the English language. Remember there are 44 of them. So for the word cut, I'm not saying cut to my child, yet I'm going to teach her to blend orally the sounds that she hears. C-a-t child, yet I'm going to teach her to blend orally the sounds that she hears ah, and my child would go cut, cut, cut, great job. So that would be an example of a phonemic awareness blending drill. This is all oral, this is all listening perfect activity for pre-k and early kindergarten.

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Now the second part for phonemic awareness is an oral segmenting drill, or oral segmentation, and this is a. This is a precursor for your child's ability to spell with accuracy. Very, very important. So, phonemic awareness drill, oral segmenting. Now I'm the mom, I'm going to say a whole word for my child. So, for example, we'll use the word mop. So I'm the mom, I'm going to say mop and my child's going to get her little shopper hands out. This is how we engage them and go um, ah, and she has just segmented the smallest sounds in the word mop. And the reason that is a precursor for spelling is if my child, my son or daughter, can orally segment the sounds in a word, when we get to phonics, which is matching phonemes to graphemes or those sounds similar relationships, m spells, c spells she's going to be able to accurately spell words.

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So another example of a phoneme, a segment or a phonemic awareness segmenting drill let's use the consonant vowel, consonant word we call those CVC words for short Starts with a consonant, has a short vowel sound in the middle ends with a consonant. This time my word is tip, so I say tip in my child Orally segments. This is just an oral listening drill T-I-P. Great job and that's it. So that is phonemic awareness.

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The second phonic skill that homeschool moms need to know when teaching their child to read is oh sorry, we've got phonemic awareness, blending, oral blending, oral segmenting. Another phonic skill is well, the CVC words that I just mentioned. So we always start with consonant, vowel, consonant words, and those are based off the alphabetic principle words, and those are based off the alphabetic principle. The alphabetic principle, basically the alphabet, where you teach one-to-one correspondence between a letter sound and a letter symbol. So again, p spells P, m spells M, p, t spells T, I spells I, a spells A. So the alphabetic principle is just the five short vowel sounds and the single consonant sounds in a consonant-vowel-consonant pattern, the simplest of words for your child to begin to decode or read and encode or spell. So we begin using those CVC words, infinimic awareness drills with our early or beginning reader.

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And the final phonics skill that's important to include in your child's phonics lessons are sight words. Why do we include sight words or heart words? Well, the English language can be tricky. We can also call these tricky words. Let's take, for example, the word said we as adults don't think twice about this. We say, said well, we spell that S-A-I-D of course.

10:23 - Janae Daniels (Host)

But that's not how it sounds, though that's not how it sounds, though it's not how it sounds.

10:27 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Thinking through the eyes and minds of your child, five years old, beginning to read letters, sounds and symbols matching them. This is new. Chop apart the word said in an oral phonemic awareness segmenting drill. They would go s. So what are the sounds?

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The first sound we can decode that s, s spells s, that's that part of the word is decodable, that's figure audible. How about the middle part, though? F I hear the sound and my mom taught me that E spells E. So why is there an AI in the middle? So, and then D at the end is perfectly decodable. But the middle part is the tricky part and that's why we call them a heart word, because we have to memorize those parts of those tricky words. And those are high frequency words, just meaning that they occur often in even the simplest of children's texts, because your child is going to come across those on a regular basis in math word problems, in their children's stories, bible, in their little devotional books, in their favorite books to read at bedtime. So that's why we include sight words and or sometimes called heart words.

12:03 - Janae Daniels (Host)

So how long should a parent spend on phonics each day, would you say like, especially for, especially for, the small children with short attention spans?

12:17 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

oh yeah, I would say 20 minutes if you have. If you devote, I don't know, 17 to 20 minutes max per day, you can get a lot of phonics covered. Right, you can do your phonemic awareness oral drill mom, mom, mom or dad. This can take like two to maybe two minutes. Right, cut mop, mop. This is very fast. Your child's gonna have their little chopper hands ready so that engages them kinesthetically. Then you're gonna move on to your CVC words and your child's gonna match the letters to sounds.

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To read simple letters up Sound symbol relationships that you've taught them, which is phonics. To read those CVC words, ox. And to segment, you can spell words. When you teach your child to segment to spell words, we use something called Elkonin sound boxes. It's just a sound map. It's basically a rectangle and there are three little boxes inside the rectangle. Each little box in the rectangle, which represents the whole word, each little box represents one sound. So if I'm asking my child to spell the word cut right C in the first box, u in the middle, t at the end, perfect. These are CVC words.

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These are simple, quick drills and as an experienced teacher I understand the importance of body breaks. I mean these can be quick, like literally hop up and down 17 times on your left foot, right, go hug the dog. Yeah, yeah, simple ways to build on body breaks during your 17 to 20 minute phonics lesson, because if your child is sitting there at the table and they're wiggling, I mean that's frustrating for you as a parent and it's frustrating for the child. Give them the quick body break that they need. They can come back and refocus and finish your phonics lesson. So phonemic awareness drills, blending drills, segmenting, and then you can work on your sight words probably one or two sight words for the lesson. And then there's a really great activity in phonics we call word chains and this is fast-paced activity. It's going to keep your child engaged. Right. When things go slow, your child is bored, we run into problems, so we need them highly engaged.

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So for word chains we change one sound, either at the beginning, the middle or the end of a cvc word and we turn it into a new word. For example, if I start with the word mat, ask my child spell mat so they write m-a-t. Or if gross motor is or fine motor skills are still difficult for your child. They can use magnetic letters. They're demonstrating the same skill. They're demonstrating what they know Either way. So that's perfect.

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So the word mat now change a sound in mat, spell sat. Okay, so they're going to write s right, substituting the m for the s. Now they've just written two words right. They've heard the oral skills. They are encoding or spelling. So I've got Matt changes sound in Matt, spell sat. Change a sound and sat, spell sap. And you can go on and on. So now I'm at the word sat. Now let's change the middle vowel sound, change a sound and sap spell sip. So I've already had my child writing four words, and what has that been? About 20 seconds. So keep it moving, keep the phonics instruction fast paced and, of course, there should be some sort of decodable text for your child to read in the very beginning. It can be just simple words sounding of those c CBC words, consonant vowel, consonant words that you've taught them. So very, very simple text and to more complex as you work your way through kindergarten phonics lessons at home.

16:21 - Janae Daniels (Host)

Is this now? Have you ever done this in the car with the kids, or is this something that a mom could do in the car as she's driving along going to the grocery store? Is it possible to do some of those do in the car as she's driving along going to the grocery store?

16:36 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Is it possible to do some of those drills in the car? Oh, that's a great question. You could absolutely do phonemic awareness in the car because I said that's an oral listening drill and it's just a speaking drill. So, mom, you can be in the front seat driving and you could say the word map and asking your child to segment One and done. We could also do the phonemic awareness segmenting drill. Oh, that was just a segmenting drill, so you could also try phonemic awareness oral drill in the car. That would be very simple, mom, you-t and your child says pot. So that would be a great activity to do in the car.

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Now one thing to add to those phonemic awareness drills when your child is really getting the hang of those consonant, vowel consonant, cvc words, let's up the ante. Let's add a level of difficulty. Let's add a slightly more advanced phonics skill. Let's add a blend. Let's add a consonant of difficulty. Let's add a slightly more advanced phonics skill. Let's add a blend. Let's add a consonant blend to the beginning. So, for example, in the words let's say bat, b-a-t, bat, and this is going to be a nonsense word, doesn't make any sense, but this can really test your child's ability to see if they can apply phonic skills and their knowledge of phonemic awareness to read, say and spell whole words. So my word is bat.

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Now we're going to add a letter to make a nonsense word black black. Your child will probably say word black black. Your child will probably say, yeah, that's right, it's a silly word. Break it apart, get your little choppers ready. But oh, ah, and the reason we call that a consonant blend is because we still hear the book sound and the old sound distinctly, but it's blended together at the beginning of a word bl-at, bl-at. So now we have a c-c consonant, consonant, vowel consonant word, and we have just increased or advanced our child in their phonics skills a little bit by adding that consonant blend at the beginning. So once we're past CVC words, now we're on to CVC words with a consonant blend at the beginning. So once we're past CVC words, now we're onto CVC words with the consonant blend at the beginning. So yes, that would be an example of something you could do in the car for sure.

18:58 - Janae Daniels (Host)

Has there been like with, with reluctant learners or um children who are a little bit, maybe developmentally behind? Is it okay to hold off on learning phonics, or do we have to do it?

19:15 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

you know in pre-K. Yeah, that's a great question. I know that's a common question when should I teach my child to read? Do I have to teach them when they turn four? Do I have to teach them when they turn five? So what a great question.

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And every child is different and I think our homeschool moms recognize that and they recognize when their child is ready, when their child is showing an interest in letters, in sounds, in sound-similar relationships. So we probably played the alphabet songs in the car. We've had lots of experiential learning through play. They've done the sensory bins. If you have a sensory bin at home or simply having them manipulate magnetic letters on the fridge, let them play. If they're showing an interest in letters and sounds and how to read, maybe start simple. So there's not that resistance. Maybe you're on the fridge, your child is sitting on the floor playing with alphabet letters. Let's help them make a word. I say um.

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Children. Spelling their names is really common and I mean we could treat that as a sight word. Almost that's not a consonant, well consonant word, in most cases the child's name. But I'm telling you, if there was ever a way to get a child interested in letters and sounds and their meaning, start with their name and then delve into CBC words from there. And, like I said, if you're feeling resistance, start at the fridge, start when they're playing on the floor oh, get them to copy you. And though actually, phonics can actually be quite fun for kids, they get excited when they're like, ooh, I can read that. That makes sense. Right, they do get excited. It doesn't have to be boring and dry. Children are usually excited to learn something new and if you're excited, mom and dad, they will be too. So celebrate those little successes, those little wins, especially for reluctant readers or your child, if your child is showing some resistance. Celebrate what you've just accomplished, no matter how small.

21:16 - Janae Daniels (Host)

So with all the years that you were teaching, I know that there's been a lot of dyslexia and learning disabilities. How would you recognize that in a child as you were teaching? You know various children to read in your public school experience. When, when and how do you does a parent recognize and go? Oh, this is more than just. They're not ready Like they're. There's something that's not working.

21:44 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Yeah, that's a great question too and a very common question from parents, both in the public education system. I mean, we both have children learning to read right. It's the same skill, different scenario, different environment, for sure. First, can I begin with a common misconception about dyslexia that some parents may have. Yeah, so some parents think that if their child is reading B's and D's backwards, or they are writing letter reversals, they're writing a B instead of a D or the letter P.

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Moms and dads, when you think of that, those three letters are made with what shapes? A circle and a stick. Essentially, which way does the belly go? I like to use the. I like to use this and say the word bed right, and I'm not sure if this is um facing correctly in your camera, janae, but if we think of this, is the letter b, e in the middle and d at the end, or I'm not sure if it needs to be reversed, but put your thumbs in front of you bed and your child will always know that the belly goes this way for the B and the belly goes this way for the D. So that's a way we can help them. But those letter reversals are common.

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Letter reversals does not mean your child has dyslexia. I've had children in grade two still like reading the word best as desk. They catch themselves, they know they're in grade two and they will self-correct but it's still common. That does not mean your child has dyslexia. When I might be more concerned that my child has dyslexia, which is actually an oral processing skill, it's a disorder in the oral processing, not in writing graphemes and letters. So much when you have taught your child a simple phonics skill and it's not sticking. When you're teaching your child a spells, a, e, spells f, and then that skill is not sticking. When you have taught them to decode words, you have three letters you've written in front of them or you have three magnetic letters that you have made a word with and it's the word caught and huh ah, huh ah. And they're not able to orally blend it. They're going cook ah and they stop ah, keep going right.

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When you've taught them those skills, when you've taught them the sound, simpler relationships, t spells and M spells, mmm, when your child is not able to quickly recall those letters and sounds after you have spent time and you have reviewed and you have done reinforcement activities with them, perhaps through a phonics game, then that might be a clue that they are struggling with phonological oral processing of sounds and that you may need to seek some extra help from a speech and language pathologist.

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For example, one thing I find for children that have dyslexia, which is just a disorder and a challenge of processing sounds in language, is that rinse and repeat often will scaffold and support them enough to be able to become independent readers. So whereas you may teach a phonics skill to a child who took a typical learner right and spells mmm right and they get the CBC words within a couple of lessons, you're gonna have to rinse and repeat that phonics skill for your child for five, six, seven lessons. It's going to be repeat, repeat, repeat and do not move on until they've got it, because there will be just frustration and overwhelm for your child and likely for you as the parent as well. So, yes, if the phonics skills that you've taught and they don't seem to be sticking after a reasonable amount of time, then yes, your child may be struggling with dyslexia and it may be time to seek some outside help.

26:01 - Janae Daniels (Host)

As far as materials, what materials are best to start teaching phonics to kids? I mean, I imagine people don't have to spend a lot of money. What would they need?

26:15 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Oh, great question. So for phonics the tools are very complex.

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today I'm just teasing, uh like oh no oh, no, yeah, no, this, this is, this is dollar store, um, a whiteboard, a whiteboard marker, a sock kids love to put a little sock on their hand and this is to erase the whiteboard marker. Your, your child is going to want the finger gloves. Don Don't Save yourself the frustration because you're going to be waiting for them to get their pinky finger and all five fingers in that finger glove before they can begin to erase the words, so that you can move on to the next skill. Save yourself the frustration, mom or dad, and just get the sock or a towel. I love it From someone who's tried both.

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Actually, maybe, if I can show you I've got a few tools just on the side here. I've got whiteboards and magnetic letters for sure. So great phonics tools, your basic whiteboard and this is a fancy one. This happens to have the Alcona sound boxes that I talked about for sounding out words. So if you're watching right, one sound per box and the word cut. And there you have it right, cut. So whiteboard bark markers are fun. If your child is still struggling with that fine motor skill of holding a pen or pencil and a whiteboard marker, then by all means use magnetic letters. Your child still can demonstrate his or her learning using these magnetic letters, and these are actually very fun. They're very tactile. So if your child's struggling with engagement, right, just pop the letters in the boxes on a whiteboard. It is fun for them too.

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So nonsense word, but it's great for testing their ability to apply phonics skills M-A-G. And they're like mog, yeah, great job. Told you it was a silly word, right? So those are the core tools that I use for phonics instruction, also for phonemic awareness, hand motions we're just going to chop that word apart. I know that boys in particular like to punch it out, for example the word mug. You can chop it or you can punch it out.

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Curriculum, a scope and a sequence, right? A scope covers what phonics skills am I going to teach my child using this curriculum? So what sound-symbol relationships are covered? That's the scope. The sequence is the order of when I'm going to teach these phonics skills. What's the sequence? From simple to more complex, and if you have a phonics curriculum, that should be laid out in the front for you. I think the most important part is to just pick a curriculum. I'm not here to tell you which curriculum is best. There are lots of great curriculums out there. The curriculum needs to be something that you know how to use and the curriculum needs to be something that your child enjoys using, for the most part guided by you.

29:52 - Janae Daniels (Host)

Did you have a favorite?

29:53 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

that you would use Favorite curriculum. Yes, absolutely I do, and, like I said, there are many great curriculums out there. I'm not advocating for one curriculum in particular, but the one that I have successfully used is the Foundations. So this is U of I Foundations and it looks like this. This is meant to be a manual for teachers and parents. This is an amazing manual. It's thick. It's meant for kindergarten to grade two phonics instruction. It covers all of the phonics skills, from basic to more complex.

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By the end of using this curriculum, your child is going to be able to read, without a doubt, inside this curriculum curriculum. Here's my scope and sequence. You can see it says scope and sequence right on the page and it tells you which phonics skills you should typically teach in kindergarten. It lays out the phonics skills you should be teaching in grade one. It also lays out the phonics skills that you should be teaching. It also lays out the phonics skills that you should be teaching in second grade.

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So incredibly valuable resource, um. So, parents, that's you fly foundations. You can certainly use this and if you need any help getting started, I believe there there is a website and it has resources for you there, and I also offer um a one-hour coaching call, a phonetic session for moms. It's called Teach your Child to Read Simple Phonetic Skills for Homeschool Moms of Beginning Readers, and I will walk you through exactly how to teach the phonemic awareness oral blending drill. How to teach the phonemic awareness segmenting oral drill. How to teach your child consonant vowel consonant words and CVC words. Sight words are included in these lessons. Word chains are included in these lessons. Just basic, back to basics phonics instruction no fluff, no computer games, no online apps required. So I think your homeschool parents are going to love that manual if they choose to use it. Your homeschool parents are going to love that manual if they choose to use it.

32:02 - Janae Daniels (Host)

I love it. Now here's just a really random question have you ever had kids write with, like, shaving cream on the table, like where you put shaving cream on and then they trace out letters or spell that way, or pudding, and they can lick their fingers? I don't know if you ever did that.

32:16 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

Oh yes. Now in a school, in a classroom, I think we used sand Shaving cream. Would probably get a little expensive for 20 plus kiddos, but definitely at home that is so fun. Or spray shaving cream on a cookie tray and have them finger right in the shaving cream or finger right in the sand. That's a really fun thing to do. Or pudding, of course. That would be just delightful.

32:42 - Janae Daniels (Host)

I would need it.

32:43 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

The child would have to eat it because after they're yes, yeah, yes, you could lick your fingers after you spell your name or after you spell the word socks. Yeah, that would be really fun, for sure. And yes, learning through play, language through play that's definitely a fun activity to do, for sure.

33:02 - Janae Daniels (Host)

So okay. So how about, and as we're wrapping up here, the for for kids who are struggling to read and they're, they're older, they're not, they're not, they're past third grade, they're fourth, fifth, sixth and higher grades and they still are struggling to read. What would you suggest those parents do?

33:24 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

And sometimes children do struggle to read in third, fourth, fifth grade and beyond and I feel that's because they are, maybe they have gaps in their foundational phonics skills. Your child is smart, your child is intelligent, you have done a good job, mom or dad, but your child does have gaps in their phonics instruction. So let's get some help. Let's do a baseline reading assessment, which is something I can do and that pinpoints where the gaps are in phonics instruction. Which sound similar relationships do they know Wonderful? Which sound similar relationships are we struggling with? We need to go back and reinforce. I like to think of it as a brick wall laying the foundation for a building, brick by brick. If you have one brick missing, then that affects the integrity of the foundation. Just the same if you're missing a phonics skill, if you have gaps in phonics instruction, let's just help your child fill in the missing gaps so there are no breaks missing, so that we have a firm foundation for learning to read. So you're not alone.

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There are many, I say, children that haven't had a solid foundation in phonics, do struggle to read in third, fourth, fifth grade and beyond and in homeschool. I feel that you're wanting your child to be able to be a self-directed learner, right. We learn to read so that we can read to learn. So let's fill in the gaps so that your child is reading with success and they can feel proud of their ability and success as a reader. And let's foster that independence that comes in self-directed learning, inquiry-based learning, learning based on your child's interest, by increasing their ability to apply phonics relationships so that they can read text on a page fluently.

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Because we know that your child's ability to comprehend reading comprehension is affected by the phonics skills that they're able to apply. Can they read and apply phonics skills quickly? Are they fluent in applying phonics skills? Are they reading at a pace that supports reading comprehension when they get older? So, yes, for sure. If your child is struggling, you are not alone. Your child is not alone. Let's get some help for your kiddo and put them on a path to reading success. I love it Now.

35:54 - Janae Daniels (Host)

if you have a little freebie for the listeners, which I'll put in the show notes, do you want to share?

36:01 - Melanie Jeffrey (Guest)

what that is, absolutely so. I have a seven-step homeschool kindergarten phonics checklist and you can check that out at bitly slash. Phonics rules for kids insiders. My podcast is called Homeschool Phonics. You can meet me over there every Monday Homeschool Phonics Podcast and my website is phonicsrules kidscom.

36:23 - Janae Daniels (Host)

You can also head to the website and grab your guide there perfect and for those of you listening that are driving are like I can't write all that down. Don't worry, it's in the show notes. Just click on the show notes and we'll have all those links for you so that you can access the freebie. And if you want to get a hold of melanie, you'll be able to quickly so, melanie, thank you so much for coming today Such important information, and I appreciate you sharing your time and your talents and your knowledge with us. Mamas and Papas, grandmas and Grandpas, you are doing so much better than you think you are. You got this. We'll talk next week.